Himi-like bike from Honda?

Scott Free

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maybe I'm naive, but I thought that anything invented would have a patent to prevent others from copying it. even though this hasn't prevented the chinese from copying stuff.
Not exactly. I have no idea how Indian patents work (the Honda is currently targeted at the Indian market), but in the US you need to show a significant functional advance over "prior art" to get a regular patent. The Himalayan (like most new bikes) contains no significant advances to the art of making a motorcycle, so not patentable. You can get a "design patent," which gives you exclusive rights to your unique styling features... if they are actually unique. Harley owns a lot of design patents. This has not stopped other companies from making bikes that look a lot like Harleys, because design patents are pretty narrowly focused--a pretty small change is enough to move an obviously derivative design into "no infringement" territory.

I am more interested in how this potential Honda relates to RE's announcement that they will be discontinuing the 411 Himalayan in favor of the 452. Is Honda pouncing on the "small, slow, cheap, retro ADV" niche that RE appears to be vacating? Or did RE decide to discontinue the 411 in part because they had learned the Honda was coming and didn't want to compete with it?
 

Woodstock

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Not exactly. I have no idea how Indian patents work (the Honda is currently targeted at the Indian market), but in the US you need to show a significant functional advance over "prior art" to get a regular patent. The Himalayan (like most new bikes) contains no significant advances to the art of making a motorcycle, so not patentable. You can get a "design patent," which gives you exclusive rights to your unique styling features... if they are actually unique. Harley owns a lot of design patents. This has not stopped other companies from making bikes that look a lot like Harleys, because design patents are pretty narrowly focused--a pretty small change is enough to move an obviously derivative design into "no infringement" territory.

I am more interested in how this potential Honda relates to RE's announcement that they will be discontinuing the 411 Himalayan in favor of the 452. Is Honda pouncing on the "small, slow, cheap, retro ADV" niche that RE appears to be vacating? Or did RE decide to discontinue the 411 in part because they had learned the Honda was coming and didn't want to compete with it?
Many variables. Will RE keep the 411 as a Scram? Can Honda sell a similar bike as cheap in India as a 411 Scram? I don't see RE worrying about competition from Honda in that space in their domestic market as while Honda may target that bike directly for the region, RE is selling the 411 with slight regional mods everywhere they can sell it. I don't know Honda would have a big market for that bike in say, the USA but we buy Scrams here.
 

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Woodstock

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There are many 'spy shots' of 452 Scrams in the Indian press.
And today, a friend told me that his local RE dealer has pre-production info on an upcoming Hunter452!
THAT got my attention...
Gosh, I don't know. I did not pull the trigger on a 350 Hunter as much as I see them as my type of ride. Now I'd buy the new J-series Bullet because, without riding one, I like the engine in the frame. A 452 Hunter is not on my shopping list. I'm slowly realizing I am really old school. A 411 is not on my list either, for complete lack of space, but I would buy a 411 Scram over a 452 Himi.
 

Gone in 60

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Huh. Interesting, but probably won't see it here.
Honda graces us with different flavors of the Rebel/Scrambler/500 twin architecture. Like a burrito or a taco. Same ingredients, different shape.
 
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