Is my Himi using too much oil?

Safara

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Hiya All :)

I have a 2018 Himi that has now done near 12k miles.

Every 300 miles or so I check the oil level and top up to the middle of the markers. Over the last 1700 miles, I have topped up 1L of oil. I dont hoon it about - mostly 45 to 55MPH.

Just checking if this is normal. I dont have a smokey exhaust, maybe a a very faint puff before things a warmed up.
 

HimalayanPete

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Safara if you don't hoon about and stick to 45 to 55 mph then I would say that oil usage seems a little high to me. My bike has done 9k miles and I maybe do one top up between the 3000 mile oil services. I generally treat the bike with care but do ride the unrestricted roads at 60 mph and keep away from motorways.
 

RotorWrench

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USA
Hiya All :)

I have a 2018 Himi that has now done near 12k miles.

Every 300 miles or so I check the oil level and top up to the middle of the markers. Over the last 1700 miles, I have topped up 1L of oil. I dont hoon it about - mostly 45 to 55MPH.

Just checking if this is normal. I dont have a smokey exhaust, maybe a a very faint puff before things a warmed up.
How do you check your oil level? Was your break-in pretty close to recommended? Have you checked your airbox? Is there any oil in it?
 
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Safara

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Wales UK
How do you check your oil level? Have you checked your airbox? Is there any oil in it?
I put it on the center stand - run it for 3 minutes. Then wait 2 minutes and check the level in the sight glass.
Not checked the airbox... It has a DNA air filter with the open plate thing....
Checking the airbox, is a case of removing the air filter and having a look?
 

RotorWrench

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I put it on the center stand - run it for 3 minutes. Then wait 2 minutes and check the level in the sight glass.
Not checked the airbox... It has a DNA air filter with the open plate thing....
Checking the airbox, is a case of removing the air filter and having a look?
No, just inside the airbox itself for oil residue. I'm still learning the particulars of this bike and can't remember if the crankcase breather tube plumbs into the Himmi airbox. Many bikes do due to emission requirements. The last three bikes I've owned I disconnected that hose and terminated it with a small screen to prevent crankcase vapor from depositing oil in my air box.

If you have high crankcase pressure, like from ring blowby, you'll get an abnormal amount of oil in your airbox, same if you overservice your oil. But you're checking the oil properly so overservicing isn't an issue. That's why I asked you to check the airbox. If you have a lot of oil in there and you're not overservicing then possibly it's from excessive ring blow-by, due to worn rings, glazed cylinders from improper break-in etc... That would contribute to higher than normal oil consumption.

I'm not familiar enough yet with the Himalayan to judge excessive oil use but based on comments here and other threads I've read, with your mileage, it does seem a little more than normal, but I've also read of owners that have had similar oil consumption as yours and has remained stable for thousands of miles that way. I'm sure members here with much more familiarization with the Himalayan than I will offer opinions as to what's considered normal.

Several factors can contribute to excessive oil consumption so just trying to help isolate them. Under normal conditions and your mileage you don't normally see a noticeable change in a 1700 mile interval unless something has happened or changed. Different oil? Leaks, Valve guides, rings etc...? Just speculation until you start isolating possibilities.
 

Andyb

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Seems like a lot of oil to use - assuming no oil leaks it must be going past the rings or valve stems, or into the air box. If the engine was broken in too gently the bore can glaze - it sounds a bit crude, but a bit of high rpm might clean it up.

RotorW - what does ‘overservice your oil’ mean?? Do you mean that the oil level is too high?
 

Bluestrom13

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What about spark plug condition??
Oil consumption that high will surely foul the plug?
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If it's not burning oil, or from an obvious gasket leak, could it be a worn or damaged gearbox mainshaft oil seal?
(Unless, of course, OP's chain is bone dry).
 

Safara

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Wales UK
Cheers all :)
Things to check today are :-
Oil residue in airbox
Condition of spark plug
mainshaft oil seal - chain is very oily, though I do lubricate it....
 

RotorWrench

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Seems like a lot of oil to use - assuming no oil leaks it must be going past the rings or valve stems, or into the air box. If the engine was broken in too gently the bore can glaze - it sounds a bit crude, but a bit of high rpm might clean it up.

RotorW - what does ‘overservice your oil’ mean?? Do you mean that the oil level is too high?
Sorry, yes, putting in too much oil, either by misreading the site glass or trying to keep the level higher than recommended.
 

Safara

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Wales UK
Fiddled about with stuff this morning..

Oil residue in airbox - took the DNA air filter out and had a look in the rest of the airbox - all looks squeaky dry...

Condition of spark plug - see attached image. Does not look oily...

Mainshaft oil seal - chain is very oily, though I do lubricate it....
Not taken the cover for this - the chain does not seem too oily - just the lube I have been putting on it...

Hmmmm
 

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Overdrive

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Looks like it’s burning oil to me, - Himalayan’s run very lean, and typically the plug looks white to grey with very little or no deposits on it. I’m sure there’s other pics on here that will show what a healthy engines plug looks like.
The oil in the air box is another indicator that all is not well with the ring to bore seal.
 

Andyb

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UK
If you had 1L of oil go through the drive sprocket in 1700 miles seal you would not need to lube the chain!

I hired a Bullet in Nepal that kept the chain wet with oil from the engine or gearbox - back of the bike was an oily mess but the oil level hardly changed .
 

Roy Gavin

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My BSA B44VS has a adjustable drip feed feed to the chain from the back of the primary chain case and it doesn't need much to keep the chain wet.
Usually a bit oil around there anyway, as both the seal at the rear of the clutch and at the concentric input /output gearbox sleeve/shaft are a felt washer.
Primary chaincase seal can be replaced with a sealed bearing, which also improves the gear change and might help extent the rather delicate box's life.
 

Harleyboy

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All above points are all relevant depending on how bike was run in during 1st 1000 miles. Seems you've checked most things I & others would have done. Have you noticed blue smoke on start up from exhaust or when riding any puffs of blue smoke which would then indicate oil getting past rings. I've only done 4k from new but run in to 1k since then one oil change + filter and at no time have I had to top up. When I do use the m/ways or dual carriage ways I'm running at 60-70 and lots of the time in 3rd/4th gears depending on type of road so I keep the engine humming
 

RotorWrench

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USA
Fiddled about with stuff this morning..

Oil residue in airbox - took the DNA air filter out and had a look in the rest of the airbox - all looks squeaky dry...

Condition of spark plug - see attached image. Does not look oily...

Mainshaft oil seal - chain is very oily, though I do lubricate it....
Not taken the cover for this - the chain does not seem too oily - just the lube I have been putting on it...

Hmmmm
A little oil residue in the air box is not abnormal when the crankcase breather hose is plumbed into it, as it is on the Himalayan. Oil laden crankcase vapor and mist is drawn into the air box due to a slight vacuum. It's designed for that purpose for emission standards, to burn those vapors. I hate getting that oil film in my airbox and throttle body so I either mount a catch can or disconnect from the airbox and leave it open to atmosphere with a small filter on the end. Results are a cleaner airbox and induction.

Much more than residue is another story. A lot of oil in the airbox means increased crankcase pressures for some reason, usually ring blowby. Excessive oil quantity in the sump will do the same thing.

Sounds like something else, unless the general consensus from those with more Himalayan experience don't consider that amount of oil consumption really unusual.
 
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