Sidestand switch...suicidal tendencies

[Can_Samui]

Oh my giddy aunt!
Having some shutdown issues with Frank, my Interceptor/Classic hybrid. Have a few mystery shutdowns and the wise elders out there are casting spurious looks in the general direction of the sidestand switch. Alrighty says I, how hard could it be to replace? I live in Thailand and parts are cheap.
The gods looked down at my arrogance and promptly squashed me beneath their sandals.
Bloody hell! Switch is easy to find but the cable disappears into the bowels of the bike to gawd knows where! After much fiddling and non child friendly vocalisations I opted for anything else. Found both the activation tab on the sidestand as well as the sensor channel fairly caked in goo so cleaned them up and ordered a new set of relays...I am indeed grasping at straws.
Any thoughts folks?

 

[NVDucati]

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Fixed. It WAS the sidestand switch. As I mentioned up thread, the switch connector is located on the back of the engine, necessitating removal of the battery tray, which in turn requrires removal of the rear wheel, disconnecting the tail / turn lights, and then removing the outer and inner fenders. No real tricks, unfortunately. Just carefully and methodically take everything apart, and probably it would be a good idea to take pictures of everything just before and after removal. I struggled with locating the battery tray, and it took almost an hour to figure out where the tip over switch went. A lot of fastners do double duty; the tip over switch is held on by one of the inner fender bolts, as is the rear brake resevior. I was able to get the rear wheel off by myself, but I needed a helper to reinstall it.

I think the easiest way to replace it should it ever fail would be to just cut the wires at the switch and splice in the new switch to the old wires, soldering and shrink tubing the joints. That would be FAR simpler than disassembling the rear of the bike. The switch is a prox (proximity) switch, and it's discussed on page 619 of the manual. It's an electronic component, not a simple contact switch, and when they die, they are dead, full stop.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.

 

[Can_Samui]

Bloody hell NV! Thanks for the link, I searched earlier but didnt find anything specific. I do like the idea of splicing the wires, solid bodging!

 

[Woodstock]

Oh my giddy aunt!
Having some shutdown issues with Frank, my Interceptor/Classic hybrid. Have a few mystery shutdowns and the wise elders out there are casting spurious looks in the general direction of the sidestand switch. Alrighty says I, how hard could it be to replace? I live in Thailand and parts are cheap.
The gods looked down at my arrogance and promptly squashed me beneath their sandals.
Bloody hell! Switch is easy to find but the cable disappears into the bowels of the bike to gawd knows where! After much fiddling and non child friendly vocalisations I opted for anything else. Found both the activation tab on the sidestand as well as the sensor channel fairly caked in goo so cleaned them up and ordered a new set of relays...I am indeed grasping at straws.
Any thoughts folks?

I have heard reports of late of more side stand and rollover switches failing. Can't pinpoint any model specifics but it was mentioned in conversation at One Ride. I wondered if it is becoming more common as we all push the miles higher.

 

[LIGuy]

Oh my giddy aunt!
Having some shutdown issues with Frank, my Interceptor/Classic hybrid. Have a few mystery shutdowns and the wise elders out there are casting spurious looks in the general direction of the sidestand switch. Alrighty says I, how hard could it be to replace? I live in Thailand and parts are cheap.
The gods looked down at my arrogance and promptly squashed me beneath their sandals.
Bloody hell! Switch is easy to find but the cable disappears into the bowels of the bike to gawd knows where! After much fiddling and non child friendly vocalisations I opted for anything else. Found both the activation tab on the sidestand as well as the sensor channel fairly caked in goo so cleaned them up and ordered a new set of relays...I am indeed grasping at straws.
Any thoughts folks?

Cant help you, but I like your writing style

 

[Eatmore Mudd]

Oh my giddy aunt!
Having some shutdown issues with Frank, my Interceptor/Classic hybrid. Have a few mystery shutdowns and the wise elders out there are casting spurious looks in the general direction of the sidestand switch. Alrighty says I, how hard could it be to replace? I live in Thailand and parts are cheap.
The gods looked down at my arrogance and promptly squashed me beneath their sandals.
Bloody hell! Switch is easy to find but the cable disappears into the bowels of the bike to gawd knows where! After much fiddling and non child friendly vocalisations I opted for anything else. Found both the activation tab on the sidestand as well as the sensor channel fairly caked in goo so cleaned them up and ordered a new set of relays...I am indeed grasping at straws.
Any thoughts folks?

Non child friendly vocalizations
I'm going to get some good use of that one !
Cheers mate.

 

[Dave C]

I have heard reports of late of more side stand and rollover switches failing. Can't pinpoint any model specifics but it was mentioned in conversation at One Ride. I wondered if it is becoming more common as we all push the miles higher.

They are both proximity type switches, so they are electronic, not electro-mechanical. When they fail. they are dead. At least the tip over switch is a bit easier to get to and replace than the sidestand switch, but if either fails, I'll be splicing the wires, not digging out the connectors.

FWIW, every connector on the bike is different. They are all shown in the big factory service manual, which, at least, makes it easier to identify them. However, they all each have a somewhat differnt locking mechanism, and they're all difficult to take apart. With one hand, nearly impossible.

 

[USADoug]

When they fail. they are dead. ... but if either fails, I'll be splicing the wires, not digging out the connectors.

Yep. Back in the day our bikes had neither of these 'auto-kill' switches and we somehow survived.

 

[jadorff]

well you camn jut by pass the side stand switch to see if it is the problem

 

[USADoug]

This reminds me of a problem I had with my 20 year old car. It is a stick shift (not an exotic sports car) which is unusual to find here in the US. The problem was a very intermittent 'no crank' condition when trying to start the engine. Traced the problem to the body computer not providing a ground (intermittently) to the starter relay switch. The purpose of this was to not allow the starter motor to operate unless the clutch pedal was depressed. Nice idea unless it causes a no start regardless of clutch position. So I permanently wired the relay pin to a ground. Problem solved. I do have to remember to tell any mechanic, such as when getting new tires installed, about the lack of that interlock.

 

[Can_Samui]

After much pensive thought and Jack Daniels I have decided that the prudent course of action is more Jack Daniels.
Followed of course by splicing the new switch into the existing plug harness. There is no, and I repeat no, way I am dismantling the arse end of the bike for this. I was married once, I have paid my penance for foolish ideas.

 

[jadorff]

After much pensive thought and Jack Daniels I have decided that the prudent course of action is more Jack Daniels.
Followed of course by splicing the new switch into the existing plug harness. There is no, and I repeat no, way I am dismantling the arse end of the bike for this. I was married once, I have paid my penance for foolish ideas.

Gppd move