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Steep and narrow concrete, damp with moss... .

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
This morning 10 mins from my place I went up "remote" forest path with mossy concrete on a 40 degrees or so climb with that kind of invisible moss, well not exactly moss but it's a thin layer of slime slippery stuff that's mostly transparent.

On my 2020 himmy, stock like tires, slipped and fell, was deep into the forest, and alone, yes dumb thing to do in retrospect any my lack of skills. I knew I should stop as my rear wheel was loosing traction repeatedly. In all honestly I couldn't because it was steep and I was out of wit, two switch backs later I'm flat on my arse, bike still on the concrete and fallen into the rut thankfully, it was so slippery and steep I couldn't even stand with my shoes, proper dense jungle with loud jungle sounds.

I slipped and fell with my shoes on just trying to balance my own weight. I had to tie my shoes to the handle bar, bare foot it took me three tries to get the bike upright, had to have it at a 70 degree angle to the edge front wheel down slope, while lifting couldn't do it with my back to the bike as it's too steep and slippery, took all my strength, third time I figured I need to get the outside of my calves, then knees, thigh and finally the hip to get it upright. I mastered this as I dropped the bike just walking it inch by inch down the slope three more times.

The dance was keeping it in gear, and inversely engaging the front brake and clutch, there was no way I could even get on the bike. Alone in the forest with recent sightings of a lioness with two cubs, twice I thought I was being followed, probably my fertile imagination, between catching my breath to lift this heavy motorcycle on that slope keeps my adrenaline pumped to get through the situation without calling for help, even if I called for help the conditions were pretty bad, the only ones who could have helped were my old forest friends who were not available when I finally got through with their own problems, I could tell them my situation as they had their own problems to deal with this morning.

It took a while but I finally got to a part where I could ride the rest of the way back down, I think the bike did great, the clutch leaver didn't break inspite of my backbreaker missing on that side from a previous parking stand fail, was on soil and the heavy rain soften the ground. the break leaver was bent into and up, had only 1st and 2nd gear.

Each time I dropped the bike while walking it, I had to drag the bike down over the moss as it was just impossible for me to get it upright at the spot.

Was pretty knackered by the end to it, strength and cardio done for the day :)

Lessons learned:
1. never go off script alone
2. beware of concrete/asphalt for oil, moss/moisture etc.
3. work very hard on my skills off-road before I attempt anything as daft again
4. don't be a dumbass

I wish I had taken some pictures, a video would have been amazing but I was too tired and in the moment to think of it.

Question is, are there any tyres that could have handles this situation better?
 

Turbofurball

Well travelled
Location
Catalunya
Question is, are there any tyres that could have handles this situation better?
Short answer: no.

Long answer: I live in a semi-tropical zone and I have the same sort of thin layer of green on the concrete around my home, there's nothing that will grip on it when it's wet and the only solution is to remove it (or in your case, find a different way around). Wet wood is the same.

That being said, you've gained valuable experience. Anyone who has done proper off-roading has found themselves in the same position at one point or another (and in my case many times, albeit without the risk of tigers) ... a good rule of thumb is to never ride down something you can't ride back up, because that's the only thing that can lead to getting completely stuck with no way out. If you can find an experienced and sensible off-roader to show you the rope it'll help far more than trying on your own - maybe there's a nearby group that's friendly to newcomers.

I have to admit, I don't use my Himalayan for real off-roading because of the weight, just for unpaved roads
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
Thanks for that answer, I've never thought about it and encountered it mid slope, I suppose there's a reason I've never been to this spot or heard of anybody talk about it, that trail starts literally a minute from my gate, passed it a million times.

a good rule of thumb is to never ride down something you can't ride back up
That's such a great way to put it.

Yes, that's another one isn't it, Himalayan's just way too heavy for anything beyond gravel roads. The odd bit here and there but not much more. This bike is perfect to putter around bad roads, something the classics don't like.

I'm calling this gravel grey BS6 Himalayan Colonel Haathi from The Jungle Book. Kind of foreshadowed as I did that yesterday, and this morning I was reminded of physics 101.

I do have a friend teaching me the ropes, this a spur of the moment thing, lesson learned.

Thanks for reading @Turbofurball
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
That's a really good choice of name, very fitting, lol

As for the track, it'll be grippy enough to ride when everythings properly dry, you'll just have to pick your moment ;)
That is true, though I'm going to give myself some time to get back on that path even in the right conditions, that kind of narrow steep concrete now terrifies me. in all these billion years I perhaps have never appeared as a goat in a previous life, I'm mortally terrified of heights.
 

Woodstock

Well travelled
Location
Woodstock, NY
This morning 10 mins from my place I went up "remote" forest path with mossy concrete on a 40 degrees or so climb with that kind of invisible moss, well not exactly moss but it's a thin layer of slime slippery stuff that's mostly transparent.

On my 2020 himmy, stock like tires, slipped and fell, was deep into the forest, and alone, yes dumb thing to do in retrospect any my lack of skills. I knew I should stop as my rear wheel was loosing traction repeatedly. In all honestly I couldn't because it was steep and I was out of wit, two switch backs later I'm flat on my arse, bike still on the concrete and fallen into the rut thankfully, it was so slippery and steep I couldn't even stand with my shoes, proper dense jungle with loud jungle sounds.

I slipped and fell with my shoes on just trying to balance my own weight. I had to tie my shoes to the handle bar, bare foot it took me three tries to get the bike upright, had to have it at a 70 degree angle to the edge front wheel down slope, while lifting couldn't do it with my back to the bike as it's too steep and slippery, took all my strength, third time I figured I need to get the outside of my calves, then knees, thigh and finally the hip to get it upright. I mastered this as I dropped the bike just walking it inch by inch down the slope three more times.

The dance was keeping it in gear, and inversely engaging the front brake and clutch, there was no way I could even get on the bike. Alone in the forest with recent sightings of a lioness with two cubs, twice I thought I was being followed, probably my fertile imagination, between catching my breath to lift this heavy motorcycle on that slope keeps my adrenaline pumped to get through the situation without calling for help, even if I called for help the conditions were pretty bad, the only ones who could have helped were my old forest friends who were not available when I finally got through with their own problems, I could tell them my situation as they had their own problems to deal with this morning.

It took a while but I finally got to a part where I could ride the rest of the way back down, I think the bike did great, the clutch leaver didn't break inspite of my backbreaker missing on that side from a previous parking stand fail, was on soil and the heavy rain soften the ground. the break leaver was bent into and up, had only 1st and 2nd gear.

Each time I dropped the bike while walking it, I had to drag the bike down over the moss as it was just impossible for me to get it upright at the spot.

Was pretty knackered by the end to it, strength and cardio done for the day :)

Lessons learned:
1. never go off script alone
2. beware of concrete/asphalt for oil, moss/moisture etc.
3. work very hard on my skills off-road before I attempt anything as daft again
4. don't be a dumbass

I wish I had taken some pictures, a video would have been amazing but I was too tired and in the moment to think of it.

Question is, are there any tyres that could have handles this situation better?
Please pics when you can. I almost always enjoy the pics more than the narrative, I must admit.
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
Please pics when you can. I almost always enjoy the pics more than the narrative, I must admit.
Certainly will, if I ever get up there again, it's still raining everyday here.
Very enjoyable read of what was probably not a very enjoyable situation! Glad you didn't get eaten by lions
Thank you. You know the minute I could get on the bike, it felt great, the worst was over, didn't go home right way, pottered around safer roads for a few mins, gathered my wits and all that.

I was happy with the way I handled it, never in my wildest dreams did I ever picture a scenario, dragging the bike as a solution.

A few pictures of the bike, tough bike!

21185

21186
Gear shift has gone for repair, will swap it out first chance I get.

21188

21187

Haven't wased the bike yet. I think I need to check the rear wheel axle alignment, there's some scraping noise, it seems o hav been pivoted on that crash sopper, the wheel axle bolt head on the left and the falls on the left handle.
Never get out of the boat? 😧
I blame the fist primordial cell,
I was perfectly fine being a mineral 🤣
 

Turbofurball

Well travelled
Location
Catalunya
If there's dirt between the back brake disk and the pads it can made a lot of noise, so worth looking there first - unless something was loose you shouldn't have done anything to the alignment from just dropping the bike.

For future reference, dragging the bike is a normal technique. If you sink in deep mud it's sometimes the only way to get the bike out, though I've also just flipped the bike over a couple of times to escape a particularly bad patch.
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
If there's dirt between the back brake disk and the pads it can made a lot of noise, so worth looking there first - unless something was loose you shouldn't have done anything to the alignment from just dropping the bike.
Thats good to know because I think you're are right, I did notice a slight patch of mud on the disk. Didn't think it would sound like that.

For future reference, dragging the bike is a normal technique. If you sink in deep mud it's sometimes the only way to get the bike out, though I've also just flipped the bike over a couple of times to escape a particularly bad patch.
I was wishing that crash stopper was not made of rubber, it had more grip than the tyres!
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
Yes, all that weight concentrated at that one point, also it looks like it wore down to the bolt, can see the head right bout where it wore till. I think I'll change that guard, much rather have a guard that's easier to slide.

I see the wisdom of wearing a bike in for a while till I know what's what. even the hand guards, maybe the RE version is better, was thinking if I hand't taken the already bent bark buster off on the left side, it could have jammed the clutch, and I didn't have a took kit on the bike, live and learn! Lot of dumb things went down yesterday. I have to get a few things in order before my next adventure.
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
Guess you might want to throw a set of these in your luggage for your shoes in case you get a repeat situation :)
https://www.amazon.com/shoe-crampons/s?k=shoe+crampons
Nice, didn't know such things existed, I think the ones with the smaller studs will be useful. Thanks!

Bark busters are better than the RE guards (which I had on my Himalayan when I bought it)
I see, I suppose they're a single use item in a way, mine was already bent out of shape so I removed it. I'm getting a tool kit and workshop setup, I'll have to a vice in there for such repairs. Will get another set, can't hurt to have a backup for now. Thanks!
 

Turbofurball

Well travelled
Location
Catalunya
The cheap Chinese ones are single-use because they snap, but at least they take the worst of an impact. Branded Bark Busters are more expensive because they bend rather than breaking, but yeah sometimes a hard hit is just too much - if it was a hard enough impact to bend bark busters then it would have destroyed the RE guards!
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
Thanks @Turbofurball
I found they sell the bark busters without the plastic covers, will order a set. In India the govt. has banned aliexpress, they only allow OEM to import from china, which is just stupid and unfair... that's a depressing rabbit hole though. Last 10 years has seen the decline of foreign policy and extreme corruption of the entire system, the current regime has been incredibly efficient with selling our country down the road. Sorry for the digression.
 

Colonel Haathi

Finally made it
Location
India
Yes it's a globalist thing, easier to count countries without BIS. I doubt if BRICS PAY isn't just team B.

i tried to straighten the bent bark buster, turns out its cost doesn't justify it's quality, maybe it's more expensive here, 150usd in India, I think the braket costs more than the bar itself, was extremely easy to bent back to shape, the curve was easy to match with little effort by hand. I wonder if they are counterfeit. The bike came with it.

I think the strength and function come from them being mounted.
 
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