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Tipper integration with Google Maps

smilespergallon

Well travelled
Location
Durham, NC
Something I just noticed. Saved links from my tripper go to royalenfieldrena.app which means the tripper for North America (RENA) may be a different app version than the one in the UK or elsewhere.

I wish they would just let us have an SDK or even just documentation on the display interface so that a skilled coder could patch that into some other (open-development) GPS/mapping software.
 

JamBar

Well travelled
Location
Arizona
I'm very disappointed with Tripper. Great idea but badly executed. Apart from the blinding display the software is very limited. Trying to plan anything other than a very simple route is painful. The software developers need to take a look at Beeline Moto. Planning multi waypoint routes, storing locations and routes is so easy with Beeline. It works well. However I prefer a map. The best iPhone app for navigation that I have used for sometime now is Scenic. It's a brilliant app so much better than any of the others and I have tried most of them. Planning complex routes, storing routes and locations, importing and exporting routes, offline maps, customising the interface, good folder structure and a great forum for help.

If any Tripper software developers read this then please allow GPX file import. At least then a route can be planned and stored as a GPX file using alternative software and then imported into Tripper when required. It would make the Tripper device more useful. I'm not holding my breath.
Send them an email, I sent an email to RE/NA about 4months ago about a drop pin ability since the bike is for exploring not just putting in a location. They even responded and thanked me for the suggestion. Haven't had to use it until yesterday but the drop pin is active, I'm sure I wasn't the only to send an email but at least they are working on something and listening to customers. They are working on a record function as well but I'm sure that will take more servers and cloud space then just activating a command.
 

RTD

Well travelled
Location
AZ
My problem with the phone on the handle bars is not only does it look goofy and dumb, but if for some reason your camera (or some other high-sensitivity accelerometer using app) were to activate in the middle of a ride the chances are high that your phone's image stabilization will screw the pooch and make your camera not work well anymore. This is something to avoid, so voice nav has always been my solution.
Same. I didn’t like the idea of junking up the handlebars with ugly hardware. Also, for all the zen-like peace a ride provides, it’s nice to have it be the one time to not have a bloody phone within eyeshot... But of course everyone is different, which is as it should be...

I had heard about vibration damage to phones also. I think QuadLock and similar braces have dampeners to help that. Not sure how effective it is.

One thing I hated about using google maps voice directions with phone in pocket is: occasionally it would do that “we found a faster route, if you want to stay on the original course, tap this...” but you’re going 60mph and can’t dig around for the phone without certain death... unless there’s a way to toggle that off & I haven’t found it.
 

HimalayanPete

Well travelled
Location
Norfolk UK
If you mount your phone to the bike you need to use an anti vibration mount such as the ones made by Quadlock or SP Connect. I am currently using a SP Connect mount on my Himalayan. Probably ridden more than 10000 miles with phone strapped to various bikes with as yet no issue. Having said that that's road riding. If I was off road and very rough terrain then I would take the phone off the mount. Think that would be too much vibration.

Regards the look of the phone on the bars I agree its not tidy. One reason why I tried Beeline Moto before I got the Himalayan with the tripper. One thing I did notice when using Beeline is I paid more attention to the road and signage than looking at a map on a screen. It was rather pleasant getting away from screens and tech. I was rather hoping that the Tripper would be the holy grail of navigation but unfortunately it's not. Back to the phone.
 

HimalayanPete

Well travelled
Location
Norfolk UK
Sent an email to support and got a thank you reply back. Basically I asked if some consideration could be given to improve Tripper software to make it more usable.
1) Ability to store routes within the app.
2) Ability to plan a route other than from your current location.
3) Provision for GPX file import.

The workaround for storing routes is to share them with yourself. I save the generated app/link to notes. When you click on this link it opens the Tripper app and loads the waypoints. Unfortunately you cannot plan a route other than from the origin which is your current location. This is bloody annoying because you cannot plan return routes or multiple routes on a trip. If the app would support GPX file import it would solve these two issues.

This thread got me to use Tripper again. I compared it to Beeline and Scenic on a route. Tripper does have a very clear interface and displays distance to destination. Distance to turns was out by about 50 feet. However Beeline Moto is better. Beeline requires more learning to read the instructions but its not hard. The display loves bright sunlight so it so easy to read. Internal battery lasts up to 30 hours of navigation. I recharge mine after 20 hours. Minimal battery drain on iPhone. Beeline software is really intuitive and is feature packed. Save locations and routes. Easy multi waypoint planning. Save ridden trips. Ability to import and export GPX files. I synced my iPhone when I got the device and have never had to do it again and that's after some 9722 miles of logged rides. However its not perfect. Like Tripper no downloadable maps. Need internet / data for planning but not needed when navigating. The displays lacks distance and ETA to destination something I like to see.

Scenic app beats both devices but of cause you have to have you phone mounted on the bike. I have Beeline next to my iPhone and use both together. When the sun makes the iPhone screen hard to read I just look at the Beeline for next turn directions. Plan route in Scenic and then its just a few taps to import the GPX file directly into Beeline. Best of both worlds.
 

HimalayanPete

Well travelled
Location
Norfolk UK
Map and written instruction stuck to tank. Got lost often ! However the roads were quieter then. Look down now and some numpty will be trying to kill you. As I get older I have a love hate relationship with tech. I fell out with dedicated GPS devices because they were so frustrating to use. Beeline is the most zen like way to navigate. No voice so no nagging.
 

smilespergallon

Well travelled
Location
Durham, NC
20 years ago I'd spend some time memorizing the extended area of a trip via an atlas book with a string of crpytic shorthand instructions showing on my tank bag.

Sometimes I miss those days of trip planning, but then I ride off down some random back road and get purposefully lost. These days all I have to do is ask for turn by turn to get me back and it shows up right next to my speedometer. Just too handy.

I do still spend many hours pouring over road maps for cities I intend to visit or when I move to a new town. But thankfully these days it costs me no money, uses up no trees, and I can access it from the small thing I already carry right in my pocket if I should feel the need. Oh and the search function, that's worth its weight in gold when you don't know where to stop for lunch, but you know it should be fairly soon and not a chain restaurant. Better than any map.
 

smilespergallon

Well travelled
Location
Durham, NC
You need a compass and a sextant
And a watch. Without an accurate date and time of day sextants don't work so well, but the good news is that they use no electricity and need no satellites, or even sight of land.

For the 2% (vanners) a sextent is where you go when the orgy van is full.
 

StuartKeith

Getting there...
Location
United Kingdom
I am annoyed that the sound still comes from your phone, so you can't hear it when in your pocket. I also can't connect the phone to both headset and the tripper, so I can have the audio in my headset. I pay for the TomTom app as I love it and have been using it for years, primarily for free or reduced, using google rewards to pay for it!

Tom Tom also does a Free RIDE app specific for motorcycles as well.
 

HimalayanPete

Well travelled
Location
Norfolk UK
Nothing wrong with the hardware it's the software limitations that make it of little use for me. I have a trip to Scotland in May and would love to use Tripper but it's a non starter. I need to plan the route carefully in advance on roads suitable for the Himmy. The route up there is 320 miles, split into 4 routes with 3 stops. How do you do that on the Tripper ? Not possible. It is just too simple.

I thought India had lots of clever software programmers. Surely RE could improve the app at a faster rate. It is obviously not high on their list of priorities. Ok moan over. I will play nicely now. :)
 

RTD

Well travelled
Location
AZ
I am annoyed that the sound still comes from your phone, so you can't hear it when in your pocket. I also can't connect the phone to both headset and the tripper, so I can have the audio in my headset. I pay for the TomTom app as I love it and have been using it for years, primarily for free or reduced, using google rewards to pay for it!

Tom Tom also does a Free RIDE app specific for motorcycles as well.
Not sure what the differences are, but I was able to get the tripper paired with bluetooth + headset (using the Sena 10S), so Tripper with audio isn’t an issue here.

But: inspired by this thread to try tripper again for the first time in months and the app forgot my login (!) .. didn’t feel like taking the time to rescue a long-forgotten password so it’s in the “sort it later” pile...

Meanwhile: haven’t heard of TomTom. Checking that out promptly...
 

HimalayanPete

Well travelled
Location
Norfolk UK
TomTom Go Ride is Android only but when it comes to IOS will check it out. I have used the full TomTom Go app which is good for normal go to navigation. I doubt for one moment that TomTom Ride will match Scenic. Scenic 3 is an app designed for motorcyclists and written by a keen motorcyclist. I believe an Android version is due this summer. There will be a big update to the IOS version this summer too.

This thread has inspired me to use Beeline Moto more. Now setup up the bike to use Scenic and Beeline together. This combination works well because its easy to plan in Scenic or Beeline and then import the route into the other app with just a few taps. I then have the same route on both devices.
 

ghunt

Getting there...
I'm going to ride some of the MABDR next weekend. I've got the routes planned for each day using goggle maps then onto paper like I use to do back in the day racing enduros. But I'm wondering how to use the Tripper on my Himalayan. I sent a test route to my iPhone but cannot figure out how to save it and use it with Tripper? I also have beeline but I found it to be too hard to see the direction arrow in daylight. I don't need turn by turn just a track. Any advice/help would be appreciated. - Gene
 
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