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Triumph 400

Plasma

Finally made it
Location
Wirral
I can see Triumph taking a lot of sales from Enfield with this model, in many ways the Enfield is the more practical bike, center stand good mud guards easy to work on and other things but, its let down by two problems , poor front brake , and most problem power , it needs an other 20 bhp.

Plasma
 

iowa al

Well travelled
Location
Iowa
I believe there will be some 450 RE models that may be competitive. Whether they will be competitive price wise, and fit and finish remains to be seen. I seen a Triumph 400 in person, and it looked really nice. It was spoken for, so couldn't ride it.
 

wspollack

Well travelled
Location
Niskayuna, NY
I can see Triumph taking a lot of sales from Enfield with this model, in many ways the Enfield is the more practical bike, center stand good mud guards easy to work on and other things but, its let down by two problems , poor front brake , and most problem power , it needs an other 20 bhp.

Plasma
I can see that, too ... but only to some extent, i.e., not overwhelmingly.

The Triumph 400s have gotten some pretty nice reviews -- I've read a bunch of them -- especially the oomph and handling of the street-oriented one. And I think that one looks pretty nice, too.

However, if I were in the market again, the way I was last summer, I would STILL get an M350. What that RE bike has going for it -- for me -- is:

- Feet more forward than either of the Triumph 400 models. (Not so big an issue maybe for younger riders, but a big issue for me.)

- Significantly cheaper out the door than the Triumphs. Besides having a higher MSRP, the Ts also have something like USD 600 setup charge, and freight, and yada yada. When you're comparing OTD prices of, say, $5K vs. more than $6K, you're starting to talk real money, i.e., when you add 20% or more to the cost of one bike vs. another. I have a Triumph dealer about a mile from my house, and I visited there, and confirmed these additions. I think it will be years, if ever, that you're going to see this stuff vanish for leftover stock (if any) of the T400s, compared to some of the deals you can get at many RE shops.

- The 20 HP / 72 MPH of the M350 is perfectly fine to me, for the back-road jaunts I do on it. I don't think any of the 350 REs or the T400s are bikes that you'd really like to do an all-day superslab day on.

- I wonder about the ease of maintenance of the T400s. I don't really know jack about that, but it might be something to consider, especially in the realm of valve adjustments.

But that's me.

I wish Triumph well, because what I think the USA needs is more of these smaller and lighter bikes. If you do a lot of criss-crossing the USA, get a 'Wing or an RT or something like that, for a second bike. If you mostly do goofing-off back-road trips like me, either of my 350s -- the M350 or my C 400 GT -- works fine (and I use the latter for the once-or-twice-a-year out-of-town superslab trips).
 

2LZ

Well travelled
Location
Volcano, CA
I hope they do well with it and I'm sure they will. I talk to a lot of people in our little tourist town and most Triumph buyers I speak with wanted something "non-Harley", or bought one to ride with a friend who has one, and have no qualms about springing big bucks. I had a local guy really like my Interceptor last summer, and then showed up a few weeks later on his brand new, blacked out Bonney. It was a beauty!....but he wouldn't tell me what he got it for OTD. I bought him a beer anyway.(y)
 

Plasma

Finally made it
Location
Wirral
I can see that, too ... but only to some extent, i.e., not overwhelmingly.

The Triumph 400s have gotten some pretty nice reviews -- I've read a bunch of them -- especially the oomph and handling of the street-oriented one. And I think that one looks pretty nice, too.

However, if I were in the market again, the way I was last summer, I would STILL get an M350. What that RE bike has going for it -- for me -- is:

- Feet more forward than either of the Triumph 400 models. (Not so big an issue maybe for younger riders, but a big issue for me.)

- Significantly cheaper out the door than the Triumphs. Besides having a higher MSRP, the Ts also have something like USD 600 setup charge, and freight, and yada yada. When you're comparing OTD prices of, say, $5K vs. more than $6K, you're starting to talk real money, i.e., when you add 20% or more to the cost of one bike vs. another. I have a Triumph dealer about a mile from my house, and I visited there, and confirmed these additions. I think it will be years, if ever, that you're going to see this stuff vanish for leftover stock (if any) of the T400s, compared to some of the deals you can get at many RE shops.

- The 20 HP / 72 MPH of the M350 is perfectly fine to me, for the back-road jaunts I do on it. I don't think any of the 350 REs or the T400s are bikes that you'd really like to do an all-day superslab day on.

- I wonder about the ease of maintenance of the T400s. I don't really know jack about that, but it might be something to consider, especially in the realm of valve adjustments.

But that's me.

I wish Triumph well, because what I think the USA needs is more of these smaller and lighter bikes. If you do a lot of criss-crossing the USA, get a 'Wing or an RT or something like that, for a second bike. If you mostly do goofing-off back-road trips like me, either of my 350s -- the M350 or my C 400 GT -- works fine (and I use the latter for the once-or-twice-a-year out-of-town superslab trips).
I find you need more power to overtake slow cars and H GVs.
Plasma
 

ronmail65

Well travelled
Location
Richmond, VA
I think the T's are more direct competitors for the RE 650s than the 350s. They're within 10 HP, similar size, similar style (for INT / CONT), and probably a similar price point. If the T braking, torque, and build quality are better - then I think these will take more of a bite out of the INTs rather than the Classics.
 

wspollack

Well travelled
Location
Niskayuna, NY
I think the T's are more direct competitors for the RE 650s than the 350s. They're within 10 HP, similar size, similar style (for INT / CONT), and probably a similar price point. If the T braking, torque, and build quality are better - then I think these will take more of a bite out of the INTs rather than the Classics.
I hadn’t thought of the new Ts like that. Good point.
 

2LZ

Well travelled
Location
Volcano, CA
I'd still like to try a Classic 350 to see if it would haul my 240 pound carcass up and down our canyons without struggle. I think the Reborn is beautiful. That said, every time we go to the dealer, the gals LOVE the Halcyon Grey.
 

Plasma

Finally made it
Location
Wirral
There is a problem there,the 650 is quite a bit heavier than the 350 , not so much when riding, but if you have to move it round the garage, you may struggle,
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LIGuy

Well travelled
I'd still like to try a Classic 350 to see if it would haul my 240 pound carcass up and down our canyons without struggle. I think the Reborn is beautiful. That said, every time we go to the dealer, the gals LOVE the Halcyon Grey.
I weighed in roughly about 220 pounds at one time, thats with my leather riding gear, boots pillion seat, luggage rack. Going up long steep inclines are boring. I rode around upstate NY, and although not canyons (I never been to CA) we do have some steep inclines and like I said, they are slow screaming engine rides.
Classic 350 belongs on the flats and hills.
Leave the canyons to the twins, trips, and 4's - :D:D
 
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