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20% Power Boost? Read on!

Dool2

Well travelled
Thanks for posting: what is a BV head?
Sorry , the abbreviation is for Big Valve, in this case the Combustion Chamber has been matched to the Larger Bore ( 84 not 78mm) and the Ports polished a bit and matched around the Underneath of the seat.
Bigger Valves should have bigger seats, these didnt, the angles are set so that the Valve seals/seats further away from the center and it gives a slightly bigger opening, mimics a bit of extra Lift from a Cam, gave about 1HP in that run.
Thanks for asking.
 

Mammoth

Finally made it
Location
Thurcroft UK
Well.. Do the TEC camshaft work the same on both - 411 and 477 cc?
I mean.. (sorry for stupid questions I'm totally newbie) do this camshaft should deliver 20% power regardless of cylinder capacity or it increases power on oem cylinder and fails on tuning one?
 

tom_d

Well travelled
Location
US
Just an opinion, but from the best data I have seen so far, the Tec camshaft does indeed provide the same benefit percentage wise on both variants. In both cases, when other changes are minimized (fuel mapping, headwork, exhaust and intake changes) then both variants improve their power by 15% the 411 improved by 15% and the 477 improved by 14%. For the Tec Bike Parts dyno test, removing the exhaust baffle while keeping the OEM downpipes and adding a free flowing air filter resulted in additional power for a total increase to 20%.

Sources: Tec's Bike Parts website and attached chart from the forum of the makers of the 477 from when the changes were reported as minimal between runs.

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Dool2

Well travelled
Nice Chart eh! I did the Test and my take on it is that there is only so much HP to be Had from the Himalayan, Perhaps a Cam upgrade gives you 15 to 20 percent on a 411 ( though I doubt it will without more fuel ) My 477 has had a few mods so when the Tec Cam was installed it had already managed 28RWHP on the OEM cam and only got another 3HP Gain. What I am saying is most of my Gains are from the Displacement increase and I got a bit more with the Cam, overall My gains are about 9HP on a 22HP engine, not 50% but makes for a nicer Ride.
Tuesday 16th I am dyno testing a stock 411 with a H-T Cam and will post up the Chart, Im expecting 3 or 4 HP Gain.
 

Robert

Well travelled
Location
Holland
@ Dool: Is there a specific number you are aiming for or is is just going for the most power possible?
And where do you think the next weakest link is? I mean the engine was developed for some 24 bhp, so the weakest link may be the clutch or the crankshaft. Nothing cracked yet?
 

Dool2

Well travelled
Specific number no, I had 26 before with an 80mm piston (Standard is 78) and best so far is the 31 with TEC Cam on the 477.
Clutch has not slipped nor does it feel like it will.
It seems a well built engine I see no problem with any weak links so far.
Don't have an aim really, I just enjoy doing it, the Dyno runs are satisfying mostly.
 

tom_d

Well travelled
Location
US
Nice Chart eh! I did the Test and my take on it is that there is only so much HP to be Had from the Himalayan, Perhaps a Cam upgrade gives you 15 to 20 percent on a 411 ( though I doubt it will without more fuel ) My 477 has had a few mods so when the Tec Cam was installed it had already managed 28RWHP on the OEM cam and only got another 3HP Gain. What I am saying is most of my Gains are from the Displacement increase and I got a bit more with the Cam, overall My gains are about 9HP on a 22HP engine, not 50% but makes for a nicer Ride.
Tuesday 16th I am dyno testing a stock 411 with a H-T Cam and will post up the Chart, Im expecting 3 or 4 HP Gain.
Yeh, that was the best chart I could find of yours which compared the cams apples to apples. Same valve size, OEM head, and fueling I believe you said. The Tec cam did get 3.8 over the OEM in that test, which is the same amount Tec got so their results looked validated, at least performance increase wise.
For sure, the Himalayan only has so much, RPM being such a big factor and this being limited by the long stroke length. You don't see many crazy performance mods for a KLR 650 either which has a just slightly shorter stroke but still limiting it to about 6800 RPM. Both make big torque though.
I see you posted getting 22 HP on your stock bike which looks good compared to other dyno runs, motorcyclist magazine posted 21.8 as their dyno result and Hitchcock 21.5 at the wheel. I saw you had a few new cams to try out, I hope you find a winner and have then get the honor of experiencing the problems that Tec and Himalayan have in trying to supply demand for this quick and easy upgrade.
 

Dool2

Well travelled
The 22 gave me a Base line, it applies to the 477 tests also, same dyno and operator each time.
What do you make of my chart showing Tec over H-T, the gain around 4500?
 

Mammoth

Finally made it
Location
Thurcroft UK
Just did first 80 miles out of 400 at 4k revs and below..
Ermm..
Do I really need to ride or I can just leave engine work in idle mode for 12h or something?
 

Roy Gavin

Well travelled
Just did first 80 miles out of 400 at 4k revs and below..
Ermm..
Do I really need to ride or I can just leave engine work in idle mode for 12h or something?
Yes, you need to run it, but some cam manufacturers suggest around 100 miles to run in their cams, with stock rockers.
The Hima has roller rockers which are gentle on cams, and also a oil pool in the head which the cam dips in every rev so 400 miles is perhaps over cautious.
I doubt if the occasional burst would do any harm, just dont hold it there too long~
 

Hutchie2112

Well travelled
Location
Scotland
If the recommendation is run it for x miles, then that's what you should do, and no way at a constant rpm. And definitely not without the bike having airflow, so sitting it in the garage running prob do more harm than good. (just my thoughts)
 
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